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On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, James R. Adair wrote:

> The fact that Von Soden and Tischendorf (and I think also Swete) use
> different ms identification schemes has been noted in a couple of recent
> posts to the list.  Is there a single reference work that relates the
> various schemes to one another (including Gregory-Aland and the two big
> LXX editions)

Aland's _Kurzgefasste Liste_ (1963) has a conversion section between not 
only von Soden and Gregory-Aland numbers, but Tischendorf and 
Greg.-Aland, and Scrivener and Greg.-Aland. (Other very early editions 
are also included, but are basically no longer relevant). The new edition 
of the _K.Liste_ will presumably have the same conversion data.  Perhaps 
Ulrich can confirm this?

> and in particular, is there an electronic version of such a
> list?  

I'll bet they have one in Muenster *;-)  Question is, will they permit 
uploading it for scholarly purposes to scholar.cc.emory.edu for the 
benefit of participants of this list?  Since the list is factual data 
which can only convert numbers correctly in one way, it could be 
legitimately typed in by any enterprising individual and uploaded, but 
this will entail a good deal of work.  Perhaps some of our Muenster 
friends can help pull some strings in this regard?  Otherwise, I probably 
could enlist a student volunteer or two to accomplish the task; but it 
would certainly be nicer to obtain this with the blessing of the Aland 
Institut. 

> Maurice Robinson mentioned Bob Kraft in regard to Von Soden's
> numbers--can you give us more details, Maurice?  

Benedikt Kraft.  _Die Zeichen fuer die wichtigeren Handschriften des 
griechischen Neuen Testaments_, 3rd ed. (Freiburg: Herder, 1955).  The 
actual conversion data from Von Soden to Gregory also appear in that 
work.  Again, the bare factual conversion data could freely be 
reproduced, since facts themselves are not regarded as copyrightable; 
also, the groupings of MSS as presented in Kraft are merely following Von 
Soden's original order, which dates to 1911 and is public domain in this 
country.

There is also Friedrich Krueger's _Schluessel zu Von Soden's Die Schriften
des Neuen Testaments (Goettingen: Vandenhoeck und Ruprecht, 1927) which
does the same as Kraft.  I have all of these available to me, as well as
von Soden's edition and prolegomena and Tischendorf's 8th edition.  All
who study textual criticism should have the conversion keys between the
numbering systems, and this can be provided if desired, though the best
alternative is still to see whether the Aland Institut would make
electronic listings available.  Otherwise, someone has to type a lot
(scanners would be problematic due to Greek letters, italics, and
subscripts etc. used in all the lists).

> If there are different
> numbering schemes in use for Syriac, Latin, or other versions, I would
> also appreciate information on these as well.  

The keys in the various Vetus Latina volumes should provide appropriate 
lists, I would think.  These also could come from Muenster or Beuron perhaps.

> I would like to create a
> single reference list that ties them all together.  It would also be nice
> if the contents of each ms were included in the description, so maybe this
> could tie in with what James Tauber and others are doing with the
> Electronic New Testament Manuscript Project. 

All this would be very helpful, and I certainly would endorse such to be 
compiled or supplied.

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Maurice A. Robinson, Ph.D.           Assoc. Prof./Greek and New Testament
Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary     Wake Forest, North Carolina
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