From owner-tc-list Tue Sep 10 00:39:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA07454; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 00:35:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 00:35:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "James R. Adair" To: TC List Subject: text-type of Sinaiticus Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 730 I'm writing a brief article on Codex Sinaiticus, and I want to verify the information that I have concerning the textual affinities of Codex Sinaiticus. In the OT, the sources I have looked at say that it is basically Old Greek (where that has been determined), generally inferior to B, but sometimes superior (e.g., in 1 Chron, Esdras B, & the prophets). In the NT, Sinaiticus is generally counted among the Alexandrian witnesses. However, Fee argues that it is Western in John 1-8. Are there any other caveats? Jimmy Adair Manager of Information Technology Services, Scholars Press and Managing Editor of TELA, the Scholars Press World Wide Web Site ---------------> http://scholar.cc.emory.edu <----------------- From owner-tc-list Tue Sep 10 07:48:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA08970; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 07:45:53 -0400 From: John Wevers Message-Id: <199609101142.HAA10246@chass.utoronto.ca> Subject: Re: text-type of Sinaiticus To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 07:42:31 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "James R. Adair" at Sep 10, 96 00:35:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 749 > > I'm writing a brief article on Codex Sinaiticus, and I want to verify the > information that I have concerning the textual affinities of Codex > Sinaiticus. In the OT, the sources I have looked at say that it is > basically Old Greek (where that has been determined), generally inferior > to B, but sometimes superior (e.g., in 1 Chron, Esdras B, & the prophets). > One obvious additional point that should be made is that the corrector(s) of Sinaiticus must be mentioned, since the text type changes from S* to S as corrected. For further information, see volumes in the Goettingen LXX which attest to Sinaiticus.> -- John Wm Wevers Near and Middle Eastern Civilizations University of Toronto INTERNET: jwevers@chass.utoronto.ca From owner-tc-list Tue Sep 10 09:28:13 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA09634; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:27:09 -0400 X-Sender: waltzmn@popmail.skypoint.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:20:24 -0700 To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu From: "Robert B. Waltz" Subject: Re: text-type of Sinaiticus Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 1208 On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, "James R. Adair" >I'm writing a brief article on Codex Sinaiticus, and I want to verify the >information that I have concerning the textual affinities of Codex >Sinaiticus. In the OT, the sources I have looked at say that it is >basically Old Greek (where that has been determined), generally inferior >to B, but sometimes superior (e.g., in 1 Chron, Esdras B, & the prophets). > >In the NT, Sinaiticus is generally counted among the Alexandrian witnesses. >However, Fee argues that it is Western in John 1-8. Are there any other >caveats? I would add that, in the gospels, Aleph, while Alexandrian, aligns more with Z and the later minuscules than with p75-B-T-L-sa. In Paul, Aleph is Alexandrian, standing with A C 33, but does *not* belong with p46-B-sa (Zuntz's proto-Aleandrian group) or with 1739. In the Catholics, it is, again, Alexandrian, but stands apart from p72-B and also from the bulk of later witnesses (A 33 81 436 etc.). (Note that C is *not* Alexandrian in the Catholics; it goes with 1241 and family 1739.) In the Apocalypse, Aleph goes with p47 against the purer Alexandrian text of A C vg etc. Bob Waltz waltzmn@skypoint.com From owner-tc-list Tue Sep 10 10:58:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA10755; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:57:51 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Heidler, Wayne" To: "'TC-List'" Subject: Romans Ch. 5-8 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:51:19 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BB9EFD.9E96D460" Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 4446 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB9EFD.9E96D460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear List, I apology if I over step the boundaries of this list. I just have a quick question, or what I may consider quick. I have started in a Master's program and for my first semester I am taking Romans. I have spoken with my professor and he has allowed me the opportunity of translating chapters 5-8, but it must be a more critical translation than I have done before. In the past I have dealt mainly with what part of speech, what gender, person, case....Then a rough translation moving to a smooth translation. This time I need to deal with any textual issues that might be found in these verses, so I would appreciate any guidance that might be offered in a direction to start with. I am writing this message right after class and before I head for home to start reading. So, I have not checked the Greek text as of yet. I have done exegetical papers throughout my under-grad. studies, but like I said before, I need to deal more in-depth with the text itself. Then also, the library where I am enrolled offers inter-library loans because their collection is limited in this field. So, I need to make sure I select good quality text (making things less expensive on me). 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I am writing this message right after >class and before I head for home to start reading. So, I have not >checked the Greek text as of yet. I have done exegetical papers >throughout my under-grad. studies, but like I said before, I need to >deal more in-depth with the text itself. > >Then also, the library where I am enrolled offers inter-library loans >because their collection is limited in this field. So, I need to make >sure I select good quality text (making things less expensive on me). > > >Wayne Heidler Wayne, You may wish to consult J.D. G. Dunn's commentary on Romans published by "Word" publishers. It is two volumes, but I think all of the material you want is in vol 1. He deals quite thoroughly with the significant variants. Then I would consult Ulrich Wilckens "Der Brief an die Romer" And of course you should look at Bruce Metzgers' "Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament". Best wishes on your work. Jim West ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jim West, ThD Professor of Biblical Languages, CCBI Adjunct Professor of Bible, Quartz Hill School of Theology From owner-tc-list Tue Sep 10 13:58:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA12665; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:57:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199609101751.NAA18441@utc-01.campus.mci.net> X-Sender: cierpke@utc.campus.mci.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" Subject: Re: Romans Ch. 5-8 Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 1662 Dear Wayne: Try C.E.B. Cranfield's commentary in the ICC. It has more than youa shake astick at At 09:51 AM 9/10/96 -0500, you wrote: >Dear List, > >I apology if I over step the boundaries of this list. I just have a >quick question, or what I may consider quick. I have started in a >Master's program and for my first semester I am taking Romans. I have >spoken with my professor and he has allowed me the opportunity of >translating chapters 5-8, but >it must be a more critical translation than I have done before. In the >past I have dealt mainly with what part of speech, what gender, person, >case....Then a rough translation moving to a smooth translation. > >This time I need to deal with any textual issues that might be found in >these verses, so I would appreciate any guidance that might be offered >in a direction to start with. I am writing this message right after >class and before I head for home to start reading. So, I have not >checked the Greek text as of yet. I have done exegetical papers >throughout my under-grad. studies, but like I said before, I need to >deal more in-depth with the text itself. > >Then also, the library where I am enrolled offers inter-library loans >because their collection is limited in this field. So, I need to make >sure I select good quality text (making things less expensive on me). > > >Wayne Heidler > > >Attachment Converted: C:\CMCII\EUDORA\RomansCh.5-8 > Kevin W. Woodruff Reference Librarian Cierpke Memorial Library Temple Baptist Seminary Tennessee Temple University 1815 Union Ave. Chattanooga, TN 37404 423/493-4252 (phone) 423/493-4497 (FAX) Cierpke@utc.campus.mci.net From owner-tc-list Tue Sep 10 15:34:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA13715; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:33:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:29:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Maurice Robinson To: TC List Subject: Re: text-type of Sinaiticus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 417 On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, James R. Adair wrote: > In the NT, Sinaiticus is generally counted among the Alexandrian witnesses. > However, Fee argues that it is Western in John 1-8. Are there any other > caveats? I would see it as Alexandrian with a good deal of Western mixture throughout the gospels, though in Jn.1-8 this mixture is stronger. I would not call the Jn.1-8 section as predominately Western, however. From owner-tc-list Tue Sep 10 15:42:43 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA13859; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:40:56 -0400 From: Joe_Adler@tvo.org >From: Joe_Adler@tvo.org (Joe Adler) To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Subject: Re: Re: "in ras" Date: 10 Sep 1996 20:37:05 GMT Message-Id: <65535.11010877@tvo.org> Organization: TVOntario's Online System Content-Type: text Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 498 Thank you everyone for your suggestions......I have looked at the texts that some of you have recommended and they are EXTREMELY helpful....... Does anyone have any other suggestions of texts/articles that have already ANALYZED the treatment of David in both the books of Samuel and Chronicles OR an analysis of the comparisons and differences between the two books in general? The books that I have been referred to do not contain any analysis..... Any ideas would be very helpful. Joe Adler From owner-tc-list Tue Sep 10 16:40:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA14566; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:37:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by InfoAve.Net From: Jim West Subject: Re: Re: "in ras" X-Sender: jwest@mail.sunbelt.net To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Message-id: <1.5.4.16.19960910155920.220f6afe@mail.sunbelt.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 803 At 08:37 PM 9/10/96 +0000, you wrote: >Does anyone have any other suggestions of texts/articles that have already >ANALYZED the treatment of David in both the books of Samuel and Chronicles OR >an analysis of the comparisons and differences between the two books in >general? The books that I have been referred to do not contain any >analysis..... > >Any ideas would be very helpful. > >Joe Adler > You may want to look at Gerhard von Rad's Theology of the Old Testament, as he discusses the Chronicler and the Deuteronomist; as well as Julius Wellhausen's work on the History of Israel. Both of these do what you are looking for. Jim West ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jim West Professor of Biblical Languages, CCBI Adjunct Professor of Bible, Quartz Hill School of Theology From owner-tc-list Wed Sep 11 21:41:42 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA24553; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 21:39:46 -0400 From: ptl@sprynet.com Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:36:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199609120136.SAA18071@m2.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Combined Heb/Greek OT/NT Text To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.10.06.22 Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 886 Help! A few weeks ago, a message was sent over this network about the availability of a volume that contained the BHS Heb OT and the NA27 Greek NT. I believe it was mentioned that it was used at Dallas Theol Seminary. I lost my email files and had to restore from a back up over a month old and cannot find the message. If anyone knows about the Heb/Grk OT/NT volume, and how to get it, please respond. ============================ Paul Lorenzen -- Sparks, Nevada http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/ptl/lorenzen.htm Only one life, 'twill soon be past; only what's done for Christ will last! ============================  <---- End Forwarded Message ----> ============================ Paul Lorenzen -- Sparks, Nevada http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/ptl/lorenzen.htm Only one life, 'twill soon be past; only what's done for Christ will last! ============================  From owner-tc-list Wed Sep 11 22:05:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA24709; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:05:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199609120103.TAA08731@wave.sheridan.wy.us> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Dave Washburn" To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:00:19 -7 Subject: Re: Combined Heb/Greek OT/NT Text Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 771 > > Help! A few weeks ago, a message was sent over this network about the availability of a volume that > contained the BHS Heb OT and the NA27 Greek NT. I believe it was mentioned that it was used at Dallas > Theol Seminary. > > I lost my email files and had to restore from a back up over a month old and cannot find the message. > If anyone knows about the Heb/Grk OT/NT volume, and how to get it, please respond. It's published by American Bible Society. As I recall, Sparks has at least one Christian bookstore; if not there are a couple in Reno. Any of them should be able to order it from ABS for you. Dave Washburn http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur/home.html I've never had an original thought in my life, so this opinion must be someone else's fault. From owner-tc-list Wed Sep 11 22:39:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA24937; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:37:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199609120232.WAA02046@utc-01.campus.mci.net> X-Sender: cierpke@utc.campus.mci.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" Subject: Re: Combined Heb/Greek OT/NT Text Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 1355 It is most cheaply obtained from Christian Book Distributors for $64.95. It is stock number 5597. Biblia Sacra: Ultriusque Testamenti, pp.2384 http://www.christianbook.com At 06:36 PM 9/11/96 -0700, you wrote: > >Help! A few weeks ago, a message was sent over this network about the availability of a volume that >contained the BHS Heb OT and the NA27 Greek NT. I believe it was mentioned that it was used at Dallas >Theol Seminary. > >I lost my email files and had to restore from a back up over a month old and cannot find the message. >If anyone knows about the Heb/Grk OT/NT volume, and how to get it, please respond. > > >============================ >Paul Lorenzen -- Sparks, Nevada >http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/ptl/lorenzen.htm > >Only one life, 'twill soon be past; >only what's done for Christ will last! >============================ > ><---- End Forwarded Message ----> > >============================ >Paul Lorenzen -- Sparks, Nevada >http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/ptl/lorenzen.htm > >Only one life, 'twill soon be past; >only what's done for Christ will last! >============================ > > > Kevin W. Woodruff Reference Librarian Cierpke Memorial Library Temple Baptist Seminary Tennessee Temple University 1815 Union Ave. Chattanooga, TN 37404 423/493-4252 (phone) 423/493-4497 (FAX) Cierpke@utc.campus.mci.net From owner-tc-list Wed Sep 11 22:39:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA24939; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:38:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by InfoAve.Net From: Jim West Subject: Re: Combined Heb/Greek OT/NT Text X-Sender: jwest@mail.sunbelt.net To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Message-id: <1.5.4.16.19960911223230.22afd750@mail.sunbelt.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 1332 At 06:36 PM 9/11/96 -0700, you wrote: Call Dove Books (they will be listed in the publishers volume of books in print) and ask them to send you a copy. They are much faster than the ABS. Ask them for a copy of Biblia Sacra Utriusque Testamenti Yours, Jim >Help! A few weeks ago, a message was sent over this network about the availability of a volume that >contained the BHS Heb OT and the NA27 Greek NT. I believe it was mentioned that it was used at Dallas >Theol Seminary. > >I lost my email files and had to restore from a back up over a month old and cannot find the message. >If anyone knows about the Heb/Grk OT/NT volume, and how to get it, please respond. > > >============================ >Paul Lorenzen -- Sparks, Nevada >http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/ptl/lorenzen.htm > >Only one life, 'twill soon be past; >only what's done for Christ will last! >============================ > ><---- End Forwarded Message ----> > >============================ >Paul Lorenzen -- Sparks, Nevada >http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/ptl/lorenzen.htm > >Only one life, 'twill soon be past; >only what's done for Christ will last! >============================ > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jim West Professor of Biblical Languages, CCBI Adjunct Professor of Bible, Quartz Hill School of Theology From owner-tc-list Thu Sep 12 06:01:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id FAA27014; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 05:59:55 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960912095559.36df9862@gpo.iol.ie> X-Sender: mauros@gpo.iol.ie X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 10:55:59 +0100 To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu From: "Maurice A. O'Sullivan" Subject: Re: Combined Heb/Greek OT/NT Text Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 445 At 22:34 11/09/96 -0400, you wrote: >At 06:36 PM 9/11/96 -0700, you wrote: > >Call Dove Books (they will be listed in the publishers volume of books in >print) and ask them to send you a copy. They are much faster than the ABS. >Ask them for a copy of >Biblia Sacra Utriusque Testamenti Dove can be e-mailed at: dovebook@ix.netcom.com Regards, Maurice Maurice A. O'Sullivan [ Bray, Ireland ] mauros@iol.ie [using Eudora Pro v 2.2 ] From owner-tc-list Thu Sep 12 20:50:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA05479; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 20:49:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 20:45:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Maurice Robinson To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Subject: Re: Combined Heb/Greek OT/NT Text In-Reply-To: <199609120232.WAA02046@utc-01.campus.mci.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 550 On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, Kevin W. Woodruff wrote: > It is most cheaply obtained from Christian Book Distributors for $64.95. It > is stock number 5597. > > Biblia Sacra: Ultriusque Testamenti, pp.2384 > > http://www.christianbook.com I suggest you order and get it while you can at a low price, since our bookstore had ordered it for student use and found that the costs had jumped dramatically after 1 August 96, placing its cost well out of the reach of most students. We expect to return almost all copies to ABS because of that price hike. From owner-tc-list Fri Sep 13 00:49:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA06769; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 00:48:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199609130437.VAA02302@mail-01.telis.org> Subject: Re: Combined Heb/Greek OT/NT Text Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 21:49:13 -0700 x-sender: sohncom@mail-01.telis.org x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Dexter Garnier To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 776 About the Combined Heb/Greek OT/NT Text: > It is most cheaply obtained from Christian Book Distributors for $64.95. It > is stock number 5597. > > Biblia Sacra: Ultriusque Testamenti, pp.2384 > > http://www.christianbook.com I just called CBD and it is now $89.95. I was told that their Fall/Winter Academic Catalog (supposedly with guaranteed prices thru 1/31/95) was being printed when they got news of the ABS price hikes. I was also told that the prices for the separate BHS and NA27 have increased substantially. Ironically, the ABS 1996-1997 Catalog of Scripture Resources has an oval on the cover declaring "New Lower Prices!" Dexter Garnier San Francisco, CA P.S. Does anyone know if the ABS has an e-mail address. --sohncom@telis.org --Dexter Garnier From owner-tc-list Mon Sep 16 12:26:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA25575; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:23:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:23:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "James R. Adair" To: TC List Subject: response to Sollamo review Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 2212 One month ago TC published a review by Dave Washburn of Raija Sollamo's book _Repetition of the Possessive Pronouns in the Septuagint_. A week or two later, Prof. Sollamo sent a message to the list noting her appreciation for the review, but pointing out a misunderstanding of one of her conclusions. In a subsequent message to the list, Dave Washburn concurred that he had misstated Sollamo's point in his review. TC has now published Sollamo's response to the review, and links from the response to the review and vice versa have been inserted. See the table of contents for volume 1 of TC for Sollamo's comments. The ability to publish a correction to a TC article--and in only one month's time!--highlights an advantage that electronic publishing has over traditional paper publishing. In print, a correction would have taken several months (at least) to appear, and the link would only have been one way: from the reponse to the original article. There is no way to go back and change the original printed article to refer to the response. However, in an electronic environment this is not a problem. The fact that the original review was _published_ precludes us from going back and changing the text in question, since TC readers have to be able to assume that the texts they cite in other articles are permanent, but there is no problem with adding a link to the response, since this link is clearly not a part of the article per se. Our publishing of this response should not be seen as indicative of a weakness in electronic journals (how many responses to articles have appeared in print journals, and how many more really _should_ have appeared?) but rather as an example of the flexibility of online journals. Furthermore, I want to state my appreciation for Dave Washburn and all of our other volunteer book reviewers (many are currently working on reviews) for their hard work and for Leonard Greenspoon, our book review editor. Their efforts are making TC a valuable addition to the scholarly conversation about biblical textual criticism. Jimmy Adair General Editor of TC: A Journal of Biblical Textual Criticism ------> http://scholar.cc.emory.edu/scripts/TC/TC.html <----- From owner-tc-list Mon Sep 16 12:48:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA25772; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:48:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by InfoAve.Net From: Jim West Subject: Tov's text criticism X-Sender: jwest@mail.sunbelt.net (Unverified) To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Message-id: <1.5.4.16.19960916124141.27c75f58@mail.sunbelt.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 249 Can someone point me to a review of Tov's Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible? Thanks, Jim ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jim West Professor of Biblical Languages, CCBI Adjunct Professor of Bible, Quartz Hill School of Theology From owner-tc-list Mon Sep 16 13:16:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA26180; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 13:14:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199609161613.KAA29407@wave.sheridan.wy.us> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Dave Washburn" To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 11:10:07 -7 Subject: Re: response to Sollamo review Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 281 I just took a look, and I'm a little embarrassed to have to ask this - did I ever send you the corrected version of that paragraph? Dave Washburn http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur/home.html I've never had an original thought in my life, so this opinion must be someone else's fault. From owner-tc-list Mon Sep 16 13:55:05 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA26626; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 13:53:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 13:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199609161745.NAA07392@utc-01.campus.mci.net> X-Sender: cierpke@utc.campus.mci.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_842906894==_" To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" Subject: Re: Tov's text criticism Cc: jwest@SunBelt.Ne X-Attachments: B:\TEXTCRIT.TXT; Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 9968 --=====================_842906894==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Attached is a listing of reviews of Tov At 12:42 PM 9/16/96 -0400, you wrote: >Can someone point me to a review of Tov's Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible? > >Thanks, > > >Jim > > > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Jim West >Professor of Biblical Languages, CCBI >Adjunct Professor of Bible, Quartz Hill School of Theology > > > --=====================_842906894==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="TEXTCRIT.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ATLA RELIGION DATABASE 1996 Year: 1996 Type: Review Author: Tov, Emanuel Title: Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible Journal: Theological Educator: A Journal of Theology and Ministry no 53:130-132 Spr 1996 Pages: xl,456 Imprint: Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress, 1992; Assen, Netherlands: Van Gorcum, 1992 Journals: Theological Educator: A Journal of Theology and Ministry ISSN= : 0198-6856 Reviewer: Pitts, Chuck =0CATLA RELIGION DATABASE 1996 Year: 1995 Type: Review Author: Tov, Emanuel Title: Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible Journal: Journal of Religion 75:111 Ja 1995 Pages: xl,456 Imprint: Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress, 1992; Assen, Netherlands: Van Gorcum, 1992 Journals: Journal of Religion ISSN: 0022-4189 Reviewer: Klein, Ralph W =0CATLA RELIGION DATABASE 1996 Year: 1994 Type: Review Author: Tov, Emanuel Title: Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible Journal: Louvain Studies 19:180-182 Sum 1994 Pages: xl,456 Imprint: Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress, 1992; Assen, Netherlands: Van Gorcum, 1992 Journals: Louvain Studies ISSN: 0024-6964 Reviewer: Eynikel, Erik =0CATLA RELIGION DATABASE 1996 Year: 1994 Type: Review Author: Tov, Emanuel Title: Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible Journal: Bible Translator 45:155-156 Ja 1994 Pages: xl,456 Imprint: Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress, 1992; Assen, Netherlands: Van Gorcum, 1992 Journals: Bible Translator ISSN: 0260-0935 Reviewer: Bascom, Robert A =0CATLA RELIGION DATABASE 1996 Year: 1994 Type: Review Author: Tov, Emanuel Title: Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible Journal: Journal of Theological Studies ns 45:194-198 Ap 1994 Pages: xl,456 Imprint: Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress, 1992; Assen, Netherlands: Van Gorcum, 1992 Journals: Journal of Theological Studies ISSN: 0022-5185 Reviewer: Reif, Stefan C =0CATLA RELIGION DATABASE 1996 Year: 1994 Type: Review Author: Tov, Emanuel Title: Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible Journal: Southwestern Journal of Theology 36:66-67 Sum 1994 Pages: xl,456 Imprint: Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress, 1992; Assen, Netherlands: Van Gorcum, 1992 Journals: Southwestern Journal of Theology ISSN: 0038-4828 Reviewer: Johnson, Rick =0CATLA RELIGION DATABASE 1996 Year: 1994 Type: Review Author: Tov, Emanuel Title: Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible Journal: Religious Studies Review 20:140 Ap 1994 Pages: xl,456 Imprint: Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress, 1992; Assen, Netherlands: Van Gorcum, 1992 Journals: Religious Studies Review ISSN: 0319-485X Reviewer: Greenspoon, Leonard J =0CATLA RELIGION DATABASE 1996 Year: 1994 Type: Review Author: Tov, Emanuel Title: Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible Journal: Presbyterion 20:53-57 Spr 1994 Pages: xl,456 Imprint: Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress, 1992; Assen, Netherlands: Van Gorcum, 1992 Journals: Presbyterion ISSN: 0193-6212 Reviewer: Vasholz, Robert I =0CATLA RELIGION DATABASE 1996 Year: 1994 Type: Review Author: Tov, Emanuel Title: Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible Journal: Bibliotheca Sacra 151:238-239 Ap-Je 1994 Pages: xl,456 Imprint: Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress, 1992; Assen, Netherlands: Van Gorcum, 1992 Journals: Bibliotheca Sacra ISSN: 0006-1921 Reviewer: Merrill, Eugene H =0CATLA RELIGION DATABASE 1996 Year: 1994 Type: Review Author: Tov, Emanuel Title: Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible Journal: Westminster Theological Journal 56:425-428 Fall 1994 Pages: xl,456 Imprint: Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress, 1992; Assen, Netherlands: Van Gorcum, 1992 Journals: Westminster Theological Journal ISSN: 0043-4388 Reviewer: Jobes, Karen H =0CATLA RELIGION DATABASE 1996 Year: 1994 Type: Review Author: Tov, Emanuel Title: Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible Journal: Zeitschrift f=81r Katholische Theologie 116 no 1:86-87 1994 Pages: xl,456 Imprint: Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress, 1992; Assen, Netherlands: Van Gorcum, 1992 Journals: Zeitschrift f=81r Katholische Theologie ISSN: 0044-2895 Reviewer: Oesch, Josef M =0CATLA RELIGION DATABASE 1996 Year: 1994 Type: Review Author: Tov, Emanuel Title: Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible Journal: Hebrew Studies 35:232-235 1994 Pages: xl,456 Imprint: Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress, 1992; Assen, Netherlands: Van Gorcum, 1992 Journals: Hebrew Studies ISSN: 0146-4094 Reviewer: Reimer, David J =0CATLA RELIGION DATABASE 1996 Year: 1994 Type: Review Author: Tov, Emanuel Title: Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible Journal: Novum Testamentum 36:402-404 O 1994 Pages: xl,456 Imprint: Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress, 1992; Assen, Netherlands: Van Gorcum, 1992 Journals: Novum Testamentum ISSN: 0048-1009 Reviewer: Elliott, James K =0CATLA RELIGION DATABASE 1996 Year: 1994 Type: Review Author: Tov, Emanuel Title: Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible Journal: Bijdragen 55 no 4:435 1994 Pages: xl,456 Imprint: Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress, 1992; Assen, Netherlands: Van Gorcum, 1992 Journals: Bijdragen ISSN: 0006-2278 Reviewer: Ruiten, J T A G M van =0CATLA RELIGION DATABASE 1996 Year: 1994 Type: Review Author: Tov, Emanuel Title: Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible Journal: Journal for the Study of Judaism in the Persian, Hellenistic an= d Roman Period 25:340-347 D 1994 Pages: xl,456 Imprint: Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress, 1992; Assen, Netherlands: Van Gorcum, 1992 Journals: Journal for the Study of Judaism in the Persian, Hellenistic a= nd Roman Period ISSN: 0047-2212 Reviewer: Fuller, R =0CATLA RELIGION DATABASE 1996 Year: 1994 Type: Review Author: Tov, Emanuel Title: Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible Journal: Biblica 75 no 3:413-416 1994 Pages: xl,456 Imprint: Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress, 1992; Assen, Netherlands: Van Gorcum, 1992 Journals: Biblica ISSN: 0006-0887 Reviewer: Norton, Gerard J =0CATLA RELIGION DATABASE 1996 Year: 1994 Type: Review Author: Tov, Emanuel Title: Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible Journal: Andrews University Seminary Studies 32:303-304 Aut 1994 Pages: xl,456 Imprint: Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress, 1992; Assen, Netherlands: Van Gorcum, 1992 Journals: Andrews University Seminary Studies ISSN: 0003-2980 Reviewer: Taylor, Bernard A =0CATLA RELIGION DATABASE 1996 Year: 1994 Type: Review Author: Tov, Emanuel Title: Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible Journal: Revue des Etudes Juives 153:203 Ja-Je 1994 Pages: xl,456 Imprint: Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress, 1992; Assen, Netherlands: Van Gorcum, 1992 Journals: Revue des Etudes Juives ISSN: 0484-8616 Reviewer: Margain, Jean =0CATLA RELIGION DATABASE 1996 Year: 1994 Type: Review Author: Tov, Emanuel Title: Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible Journal: Nederlands Theologisch Tijdschrift 48:156-157 Ap 1994 Pages: xl,456 Imprint: Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress, 1992; Assen, Netherlands: Van Gorcum, 1992 Journals: Nederlands Theologisch Tijdschrift ISSN: 0028-212X Reviewer: Dirksen, P B =0CATLA RELIGION DATABASE 1996 Year: 1994 Type: Review Author: Tov, Emanuel Title: Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible Journal: Union Seminary Quarterly Review 48 no 1-2:183-187 1994 Pages: xl,456 Imprint: Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress, 1992; Assen, Netherlands: Van Gorcum, 1992 Journals: Union Seminary Quarterly Review ISSN: 0362-1545 Reviewer: Landes, George M =0CATLA RELIGION DATABASE 1996 Year: 1993 Type: Review Author: Tov, Emanuel Title: Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible Journal: Bible Review 9:11-12 Ag 1993 Pages: xl,456 Imprint: Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress, 1992; Assen, Netherlands: Van Gorcum, 1992 Journals: Bible Review ISSN: 8755-6316 Reviewer: Ulrich, Eugene =0CATLA RELIGION DATABASE 1996 Year: 1993 Type: Review Author: Tov, Emanuel Title: Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible Journal: Currents in Theology and Mission 20:499 D 1993 Pages: xl,456 Imprint: Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress, 1992; Assen, Netherlands: Van Gorcum, 1992 Journals: Currents in Theology and Mission ISSN: 0098-2113 Reviewer: Klein, Ralph W =0CATLA RELIGION DATABASE 1996 Year: 1992 Type: Review Author: Tov, Emanuel Title: Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible Journal: Protestantesimo 48 no 3:211 1993 Pages: xl,456 Imprint: Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress; Assen, Netherlands: Van Gorcum, 1992 Journals: Protestantesimo ISSN: 0033-1767 Reviewer: Soggin, J Alberto =0C --=====================_842906894==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kevin W. Woodruff Reference Librarian Cierpke Memorial Library Temple Baptist Seminary Tennessee Temple University 1815 Union Ave. Chattanooga, TN 37404 423/493-4252 (phone) 423/493-4497 (FAX) Cierpke@utc.campus.mci.net --=====================_842906894==_-- From owner-tc-list Mon Sep 16 15:24:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA27515; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:20:18 -0400 X-Sender: daiken@mail.bakerbooks.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:17:21 -0500 To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu From: daiken@bakerbooks.com (Dave Aiken) Subject: Latin Psalter Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 566 Dear TC List: Can someone give me a quick lesson on the text of the Latin Psalter? Is the edition published by Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft (my copy is the third 1985 edition) the standard hand edition of the Vulgate Psalter? Is a critical edition available? Do critical editions exist for any of Jerome's versions? Thanks in advance for any light list members can shed on this issue. David Aiken Editor, Academic and Reference Books Baker Book House (Grand Rapids, Michigan) daiken@bakerbooks.com http://www.bakerbooks.com 616-682-8388 ext. 132 616-676-2315 fax From owner-tc-list Mon Sep 16 18:36:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA28979; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 18:28:12 -0400 Date: 16 Sep 96 18:08:42 EDT From: "Harold P. Scanlin" <73750.2016@CompuServe.COM> To: TC-List Subject: Latin Psalter Message-ID: <960916220842_73750.2016_FHR74-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 813 Dave Aiken asked about editions of the Latin Psalter. The Weber edition (German Bible Society/ABS distributor) of the Vulgate is a hand- or minor- edition of the Vulgate. For the Psalter, of course, it includes both the Gallican and iuxta Hebraeos versions of Jerome. The full critical editon of the Vulgate is _Biblia Sacra iuxta Latinam Vulgatam Versionem_, 17 volumes, (Rome: Libreria Editrice Vaticana, 1926 - 1987), known as the San Girolamo edition. You may also want to keep in mind that there is a _Nova Vulgata_, which is a "modern" revision of the Vulgate, done under the asupices of the Vatican, and enjoying official liturgical status. The Vatican press publishes the full Bible; the German Bible Society published the NT only (available from ABS). Harold P. Scanlin United Bible Societies From owner-tc-list Tue Sep 17 11:53:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA04045; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 11:51:48 -0400 To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 11:44:12 PST Subject: E-Mail Virus Alert Message-ID: <19960917.114643.15174.0.jefellure@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-86 From: jefellure@juno.com (Jim Fellure) Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 3867 FYI, may be old news --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: Walter McFall To: b-hebrew@virginia.edu Subject: E-Mail Virus Alert Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:07:39 +0800 Message-ID: <323E402B.5875@net1.nw.com.au> Sorry to lurk for so long before posting, but I'd hate for anyone to get this nasty computer virus... I just received the following from a u.s. military source: Forwarded message: 1. There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. If you receive an email message with the subject line "Good Times", DO NOT read the message, DELETE it immediately. Please read the messages below. Some miscreant is sending email under the title "Good Times" nationwide, if you get anything like this, DON'T DOWN LOAD THE FILE! It has a virus that rewrites your hard drive, obliterating anything on it. Please be careful and forward this mail to anyone you care about. The FCC released a warning last Wednesday concerning a matter of major importance to any regular user of the Internet. Apparently a new computer virus has been engineered by a user of AMERICA ON LINE that is unparalleled in its destructive capability. Other more well-known viruses such as "Stoned", "Airwolf" and "Michaelangelo" pale in comparison to the prospects of this newest creation by a warped mentality. What makes this virus so terrifying, said the FCC, is the fact that no program needs to be exchanged for a new computer to be infected. It can be spread through the existing email systems of the Internet. Once a Computer is infected, one of several things can happen. If the computer contains a hard drive, that will most likely be destroyed. If the program is not stopped, the computer's processor will be placed in an nth-complexity infinite binary loop -which can severely damage the processor if left running that way too long. Unfortunately, most novice computer users will not realize what is happening until it is far too late. Luckily, there is one sure means of detecting what is now known as the "Good Times" virus. It always travels to new computers the same way in a text email message with the subject line reading "Good Times". Avoiding infection is easy once the file has been received simply by NOT READING IT! The act of loading the file into the mail server's ASCII buffer causes the "Good Times" mainline program to initialize and execute. The program is highly intelligent- it will send copies of itself to everyone whose email address is contained in a receive-mail file or a sent-mail file, if it can find one. It will then proceed to trash the computer it is running on. The bottom line is: - if you receive a file with the subject line "Good Times", delete it immediately! Do not read it" Rest assured that whoever' name was on the "From" line was surely struck by the virus. Warn your friends and local system users of this newest threat to the Internet! It could save them a lot of time and money. Could you pass this along to your global mailing list as well? 2. Subject: New and Dangerous Virus For your information ... DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY FILE NAMED PKZIP300 REGARDLESS OF THE EXTENSION We work closely with the military and received this message from a Washington DC this morning. A NEW Trojan Horse Virus has emerged on the internet with the name PKZIP300.ZIP, so named as to give the impression that this file is a new version of the PKZIP software used to "ZIP" (compress) files. DO NOT DOWNLOAD this file under any circumstances!!! If you install or expand this file, the virus WILL wipe your hard disk clean and affect modems at 14.4 and higher. This is an extremely destructive virus and there is NOT yet a way of cleaning up this one. REPEAT: DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY FILE NAMED PKZIP300 REGARDLESS OF THE EXTENSION. ===== Walt --------- End forwarded message ---------- From owner-tc-list Tue Sep 17 13:29:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA04991; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:28:17 -0400 To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 11:44:12 PST Subject: E-Mail Virus Alert Message-ID: <19960917.132047.17958.0.jefellure@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-86 From: jefellure@juno.com (Jim Fellure) Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 3867 FYI, may be old news --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: Walter McFall To: b-hebrew@virginia.edu Subject: E-Mail Virus Alert Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:07:39 +0800 Message-ID: <323E402B.5875@net1.nw.com.au> Sorry to lurk for so long before posting, but I'd hate for anyone to get this nasty computer virus... I just received the following from a u.s. military source: Forwarded message: 1. There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. If you receive an email message with the subject line "Good Times", DO NOT read the message, DELETE it immediately. Please read the messages below. Some miscreant is sending email under the title "Good Times" nationwide, if you get anything like this, DON'T DOWN LOAD THE FILE! It has a virus that rewrites your hard drive, obliterating anything on it. Please be careful and forward this mail to anyone you care about. The FCC released a warning last Wednesday concerning a matter of major importance to any regular user of the Internet. Apparently a new computer virus has been engineered by a user of AMERICA ON LINE that is unparalleled in its destructive capability. Other more well-known viruses such as "Stoned", "Airwolf" and "Michaelangelo" pale in comparison to the prospects of this newest creation by a warped mentality. What makes this virus so terrifying, said the FCC, is the fact that no program needs to be exchanged for a new computer to be infected. It can be spread through the existing email systems of the Internet. Once a Computer is infected, one of several things can happen. If the computer contains a hard drive, that will most likely be destroyed. If the program is not stopped, the computer's processor will be placed in an nth-complexity infinite binary loop -which can severely damage the processor if left running that way too long. Unfortunately, most novice computer users will not realize what is happening until it is far too late. Luckily, there is one sure means of detecting what is now known as the "Good Times" virus. It always travels to new computers the same way in a text email message with the subject line reading "Good Times". Avoiding infection is easy once the file has been received simply by NOT READING IT! The act of loading the file into the mail server's ASCII buffer causes the "Good Times" mainline program to initialize and execute. The program is highly intelligent- it will send copies of itself to everyone whose email address is contained in a receive-mail file or a sent-mail file, if it can find one. It will then proceed to trash the computer it is running on. The bottom line is: - if you receive a file with the subject line "Good Times", delete it immediately! Do not read it" Rest assured that whoever' name was on the "From" line was surely struck by the virus. Warn your friends and local system users of this newest threat to the Internet! It could save them a lot of time and money. Could you pass this along to your global mailing list as well? 2. Subject: New and Dangerous Virus For your information ... DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY FILE NAMED PKZIP300 REGARDLESS OF THE EXTENSION We work closely with the military and received this message from a Washington DC this morning. A NEW Trojan Horse Virus has emerged on the internet with the name PKZIP300.ZIP, so named as to give the impression that this file is a new version of the PKZIP software used to "ZIP" (compress) files. DO NOT DOWNLOAD this file under any circumstances!!! If you install or expand this file, the virus WILL wipe your hard disk clean and affect modems at 14.4 and higher. This is an extremely destructive virus and there is NOT yet a way of cleaning up this one. REPEAT: DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY FILE NAMED PKZIP300 REGARDLESS OF THE EXTENSION. ===== Walt --------- End forwarded message ---------- From owner-tc-list Tue Sep 17 14:42:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA05960; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:41:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:41:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "James R. Adair" To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Subject: Re: E-Mail Virus Alert - ignore In-Reply-To: <19960917.132047.17958.0.jefellure@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 317 The "Good Times Virus" is a well-known hoax. There is no such thing. Please ignore the previous warning. Jimmy Adair Manager of Information Technology Services, Scholars Press and Managing Editor of TELA, the Scholars Press World Wide Web Site ---------------> http://scholar.cc.emory.edu <----------------- From owner-tc-list Tue Sep 17 14:59:49 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA06282; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:58:42 -0400 From: cook@maties.sun.ac.za Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 20:39 +0200 To: Message-id: <0940789209449912@maties.sun.ac.za> Subject: RE: response to Sollamo review X-Mailer: Netmail V3.17 Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 3508 > Received: from sunvax.sun.ac.za by maties4.sun.ac.za with smtp; Mon, 16 Sep > 96 18:31:15 +0200 > Received: from graf.cc.emory.edu by sunvax.sun.ac.za with SMTP; > Mon, 16 Sep 1996 18:29:40 +0100 (WET-DST) > Received: from scholar.cc.emory.edu (scholar.cc.emory.edu [170.140.38.9]) by > graf.cc.emory.edu (8.7.3/8.6.9-950630.01osg-itd.null) with SMTP id MAA08091; > Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:21:55 -0400 (EDT) > Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) > id MAA25575; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:23:46 -0400 > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:23:36 -0400 (EDT) > From: "James R. Adair" > To: TC List > Subject: response to Sollamo review > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu > > One month ago TC published a review by Dave Washburn of Raija Sollamo's > book _Repetition of the Possessive Pronouns in the Septuagint_. A week or > two later, Prof. Sollamo sent a message to the list noting her > appreciation for the review, but pointing out a misunderstanding of one of > her conclusions. In a subsequent message to the list, Dave Washburn > concurred that he had misstated Sollamo's point in his review. TC has now > published Sollamo's response to the review, and links from the response to > the review and vice versa have been inserted. See the table of contents > for volume 1 of TC for Sollamo's comments. > > The ability to publish a correction to a TC article--and in only one > month's time!--highlights an advantage that electronic publishing has over > traditional paper publishing. In print, a correction would have taken > several months (at least) to appear, and the link would only have been one > way: from the reponse to the original article. There is no way to go back > and change the original printed article to refer to the response. > However, in an electronic environment this is not a problem. The fact > that the original review was _published_ precludes us from going back and > changing the text in question, since TC readers have to be able to assume > that the texts they cite in other articles are permanent, but there is no > problem with adding a link to the response, since this link is clearly not > a part of the article per se. > > Our publishing of this response should not be seen as indicative of a > weakness in electronic journals (how many responses to articles have > appeared in print journals, and how many more really _should_ have > appeared?) but rather as an example of the flexibility of online journals. > Furthermore, I want to state my appreciation for Dave Washburn and all of > our other volunteer book reviewers (many are currently working on reviews) > for their hard work and for Leonard Greenspoon, our book review editor. > Their efforts are making TC a valuable addition to the scholarly > conversation about biblical textual criticism. > > Jimmy Adair > General Editor of TC: A Journal of Biblical Textual Criticism > ------> http://scholar.cc.emory.edu/scripts/TC/TC.html <----- > I can only second Jimmy's plea re the advantages of electronic publishing. It simply advances critical discussion, the essence of scientific work, and in a remarkable short period of time for that matter!! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!! JOHANN COOK STELLENBOSCH > From owner-tc-list Tue Sep 17 15:37:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA06821; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:36:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by InfoAve.Net From: Jim West Subject: Gen 49:10 X-Sender: jwest@mail.sunbelt.net (Unverified) To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Message-id: <1.5.4.16.19960917152554.18c74220@mail.sunbelt.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 506 I would be most pleased if someone could answer the following questions concerning Gen 49:10- (shiloh) 1- is it possible that the "qere" is a masoretic effort to ameliorate the christian interpretation of this verse as a messianic text? 2- are there any DSS mss which have a variant here? (I am unable to locate any). Thanks for your help. Jim ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jim West Professor of Biblical Languages, CCBI Adjunct Professor of Bible, Quartz Hill School of Theology From owner-tc-list Tue Sep 17 23:06:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA10187; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 23:05:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199609180203.UAA29951@wave.sheridan.wy.us> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Dave Washburn" To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 21:00:31 -7 Subject: Re: Gen 49:10 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 401 > I would be most pleased if someone could answer the following questions > concerning Gen 49:10- (shiloh) > 2- are there any DSS mss which have a variant here? (I am unable to locate any). As far as I have found it isn't preserved in the DSS corpus. Dave Washburn http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur/home.html I've never had an original thought in my life, so this opinion must be someone else's fault. From owner-tc-list Wed Sep 18 01:39:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA10730; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 01:38:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 01:38:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "James R. Adair" To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Subject: Re: Gen 49:10 In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19960917152554.18c74220@mail.sunbelt.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 1492 On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Jim West wrote: > I would be most pleased if someone could answer the following questions > concerning Gen 49:10- (shiloh) > > 1- is it possible that the "qere" is a masoretic effort to ameliorate the > christian interpretation of this verse as a messianic text? It's possible that the qere reading draws attention away from the interpretation of "Shiloh" as an appellation, but the kethib could also be read "which is his," or something similar. Certainly Christianity read this passage as messianic, but so did the targums. Targum Onkelos reads "until the time when the messiah comes to whom the kingdom belongs," and Targum Neofiti reads similarly (but "king messiah"). Both the Peshitta and LXX interpret rather than transcribe "Shiloh," with the LXX rendering being somewhat more mysterious: "the things which are reserved," or some such. The earliest interpretation of this passage, which may also be messianic, may be Ezek 21:31 (21:27 Eng): "Ruin, ruin, ruin I will bring such as never was, until he comes whose right it is [(D-B) )$R-LW HM$P+, cf. (D KY-YB) $YLH in Gen], and I will give it (to him)." Thus, the messianic interpretation seems to predate Christianity, and even the qere reading can be interpreted to lean in that direction. Jimmy Adair Manager of Information Technology Services, Scholars Press and Managing Editor of TELA, the Scholars Press World Wide Web Site ---------------> http://scholar.cc.emory.edu <----------------- From owner-tc-list Wed Sep 18 02:52:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id CAA10986; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 02:51:22 -0400 From: cook@maties.sun.ac.za Date: Wed, 18 Sep 96 08:33 +0200 To: Message-id: <1002656680009421@maties.sun.ac.za> Subject: RE: Re: Gen 49:10 X-Mailer: Netmail V3.17 Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 3425 > Received: from sunvax.sun.ac.za by maties4.sun.ac.za with smtp; Wed, 18 Sep > 96 07:40:09 +0200 > Received: from gabriel.cc.emory.edu by sunvax.sun.ac.za with SMTP; > Wed, 18 Sep 1996 7:38:37 +0100 (WET-DST) > Received: from scholar.cc.emory.edu (scholar.cc.emory.edu [170.140.38.9]) by > gabriel.cc.emory.edu (8.7.3/8.6.9-950630.01osg-itd.null) with SMTP id > BAA20497; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 01:37:24 -0400 (EDT) > Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) > id BAA10730; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 01:38:19 -0400 > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 01:38:08 -0400 (EDT) > From: "James R. Adair" > To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu > Subject: Re: Gen 49:10 > In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19960917152554.18c74220@mail.sunbelt.net> > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu > > On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Jim West wrote: > > > I would be most pleased if someone could answer the following questions > > concerning Gen 49:10- (shiloh) > > > > 1- is it possible that the "qere" is a masoretic effort to ameliorate the > > christian interpretation of this verse as a messianic text? > > It's possible that the qere reading draws attention away from the > interpretation of "Shiloh" as an appellation, but the kethib could also be > read "which is his," or something similar. Certainly Christianity read > this passage as messianic, but so did the targums. Targum Onkelos reads > "until the time when the messiah comes to whom the kingdom belongs," and > Targum Neofiti reads similarly (but "king messiah"). Both the Peshitta > and LXX interpret rather than transcribe "Shiloh," with the LXX rendering > being somewhat more mysterious: "the things which are reserved," or some > such. The earliest interpretation of this passage, which may also be > messianic, may be Ezek 21:31 (21:27 Eng): "Ruin, ruin, ruin I will bring > such as never was, until he comes whose right it is [(D-B) )$R-LW HM$P+, > cf. (D KY-YB) $YLH in Gen], and I will give it (to him)." Thus, the > messianic interpretation seems to predate Christianity, and even the qere > reading can be interpreted to lean in that direction. > > Jimmy Adair > Manager of Information Technology Services, Scholars Press > and > Managing Editor of TELA, the Scholars Press World Wide Web Site > ---------------> http://scholar.cc.emory.edu <----------------- The applicable phrase in the LXX (ews an elthe ta apokeimena autw) can be translated as "until the things which are stored up for him will come". The messianic content of this passage in the LXX is also to be deduced from the rest of the passage (kai autos prosdokia ethnwn) "and he will be the exectation of nations". The Old Greek seems to suggest that it is a pre-Christian interpretation. Interesting is the Peshitta which to me seems to follow a combination of LXX and the Targumim (cf. Cook in the Peshitta Symposium volume of 1988 (eds. Dirksen & Mulder, p. 163)). The problematic noun shilo is brought into connection with the relative particle shlw. However, the interpretation of sk) in wlh nskwn (mm) (nations will expect him), is probably based on the LXX. Johann Cook Dept of Ancient Near Eastern Studies University of Stellenbosch SOUTH AFRICA > From owner-tc-list Thu Sep 19 17:26:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA25641; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:22:48 -0400 Message-Id: <3241B8A0.7219@eee.org> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:18:24 -0700 From: Jim Mendelson Organization: Calvary Chapel of the Chino Valley X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Subject: Re: E-Mail Virus Alert References: <19960917.114643.15174.0.jefellure@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 1372 Jim Fellure wrote: > > FYI, may be old news > Sorry to lurk for so long before posting, but I'd hate for anyone to get > this nasty computer virus... > I just received the following from a u.s. military source: > > Forwarded message: > > 1. There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. If > you receive an email message with the subject line "Good Times", DO NOT > read the message, DELETE it immediately. Please read the messages > below. > > Some miscreant is sending email under the title "Good Times" > nationwide, if you get anything like this, DON'T DOWN LOAD THE FILE! It > has a virus that rewrites your hard drive, obliterating anything on it. > Please be careful and forward this mail to anyone you care about. > Brothers on this board, please be advised that this is not a hoax. I have many friends in the computer field, and for the last year, the entire Internet field has said that it is impossible for an e-mail to carry a virus. I was learned by many about this, and too agreeded with this because of the way a virus is executed. A friend of mine just got the virus via e-mail, and it destroyed his harddrive. So be advised that this is a REAL virus sent by e-mail. Remember, back up be for you say, "I knew I should have..." GOD bless bro's, Jim Mendelson jim_mendelson@eee.org Calvary Chapel of the Chino Valley From owner-tc-list Thu Sep 19 17:52:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA25774; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:51:44 -0400 X-Sender: waltzmn@popmail.skypoint.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3241B8A0.7219@eee.org> References: <19960917.114643.15174.0.jefellure@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:46:14 -0700 To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu From: "Robert B. Waltz" Subject: Re: E-Mail Virus Alert Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 2787 On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Jim Mendelson wrote: >Jim Fellure wrote: >> >> FYI, may be old news > >> Sorry to lurk for so long before posting, but I'd hate for anyone to get >> this nasty computer virus... >> I just received the following from a u.s. military source: >> >> Forwarded message: >> >> 1. There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. If >> you receive an email message with the subject line "Good Times", DO NOT >> read the message, DELETE it immediately. Please read the messages >> below. >> >> Some miscreant is sending email under the title "Good Times" >> nationwide, if you get anything like this, DON'T DOWN LOAD THE FILE! It >> has a virus that rewrites your hard drive, obliterating anything on it. >> Please be careful and forward this mail to anyone you care about. >> > >Brothers on this board, please be advised that this is not a hoax. I >have >many friends in the computer field, and for the last year, the entire >Internet field has said that it is impossible for an e-mail to carry a >virus. I was learned by many about this, and too agreeded with this >because >of the way a virus is executed. A friend of mine just got the virus via >e-mail, and it destroyed his harddrive. So be advised that this is a >REAL virus sent by e-mail. Remember, back up be for you say, "I knew >I should have..." GOD bless bro's, > >Jim Mendelson > All right, let's get this right before a panic starts. Please note *all* the following points. 1. "Good Times" is a hoax. It is only a hoax. If it had been a real virus, somebody would have created a cure for it by now. So if somebody tells you about it, ignore it. 2. You cannot get a virus by sending or reading e-mail. Period. It's not possible. HOWEVER 3. There are a lot of viruses out there that are harmful. 4. You can get a virus from a file. If someone attaches a document to a mail message, that file could contain a virus, and you *could* catch that virus. ON THE OTHER HAND 5. All viruses are computer, operating system, or software specific. A PC cannot catch a Macintosh or UNIX virus (although viruses on the Mac, in particular, are very rare and almost entirely harmless). By the same token, a Mac cannot catch a PC virus. (Minor exception: A virus written in Microsoft Word for the PC can infect Mac Word, and vice versa; however, this affects only Word users.) THE LAST WORD: The Internet is cleaner than you think. Most servers are run by people who watch for viruses. But you could get a virus if you aren't careful. So do stay alert -- particularly when you download program files. But don't worry about e-mail (unless it has attachments), and for pity's sake *forget* "Good Times." Bob Waltz waltzmn@skypoint.com From owner-tc-list Fri Sep 20 14:14:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA02559; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:13:30 -0400 From: nmartola@abo.fi Message-Id: <9609210110.AA0101@aqiba.abo.fi> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 96 20:51:16 -0400 To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Subject: RE: Re: Gen 49:10 In-Reply-To: <1002656680009421@maties.sun.ac.za> X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.05 (Unregistered) Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 522 >> > I would be most pleased if someone could answer the following >> > concerning Gen 49:10- (shiloh) >> > >> > 1- is it possible that the "qere" is a masoretic effort to am >> > christian interpretation of this verse as a messianic text? For a massive study on "shiloh" in this verse, consult Posnanski's great work with the same title. Nils Martola, Abo Akademi University ----------------------------------------------------------- nmartola@aqiba.abo.fi ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tc-list Fri Sep 20 17:16:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA04549; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:15:02 -0400 From: lfirrantello@BIX.com Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: E-Mail Virus Alert To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Message-id: <9609201711.memo.51464@BIX.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-CoSy-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 1041 >Brothers on this board, please be advised that this is not a hoax. I have >many friends in the computer field, and for the last year, the entire >Internet field has said that it is impossible for an e-mail to carry a >virus. I was learned by many about this, and too agreeded with this >because of the way a virus is executed. A friend of mine just got the >virus via e-mail, and it destroyed his harddrive. So be advised that this >is a REAL virus sent by e-mail. Remember, back up be for you say, "I knew > Simply receiving email cannot infect a system with a virus or trojan. However it is possible for someone to send an encoded executable, Word Document, various other wordprocessor documents, Excell spreadsheet, etc.... which the email client will convert and launch (i.e., execute the program or launch the word processor) and thereby inject the virus/trojan onto the system... Solution: never enable launch on decode in your email or news programs without running a virus scan first. --Mick Brown (lfirrantello@bix.com) From owner-tc-list Tue Sep 24 18:01:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA00816; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:00:09 -0400 From: KHGrenier@aol.com Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:56:17 -0400 Message-ID: <960924175613_316519913@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Subject: Teaching Textual Criticism Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 408 tc'ers, I am planning on teaching a unit on textual criticism to my 2nd year Greek students next semester. I am interested in hearing your comments on A) what texts are best for a short unit, i.e. 6-9 hours of class time B) what teaching methodology works at an undergrad level and C) which topics within the whole arena of tc are best to cover. Suggestions? Kevin Grenier Colorado Christian University From owner-tc-list Tue Sep 24 18:22:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA00941; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:21:12 -0400 From: dennis@dcez.com Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 18:19:41 Subject: RE: Teaching Textual Criticism To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 280 Kevin Grenier, I Took a Texual Criticim class at the Graduate level under Dr. Carroll Osborne at Abilene Christian University in Abilene TX. He heads up the New Testament Greek project for the book of Acts for the UBS. Contact him, he should be able to help. Robert Barnes From owner-tc-list Tue Sep 24 22:36:43 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA02378; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 22:35:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 22:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199609250231.WAA17205@utc-01.campus.mci.net> X-Sender: cierpke@utc.campus.mci.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" Subject: Re: Teaching Textual Criticism Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 1303 Depending on the level you want to cover I think that from basic to most detailed are the following: Black, David Alan. _New Testament Textual Criticism: A Concise Guide._ Grand Rapids: Baker, 1994. Greenlee, J. Harold. _Scribes Scrolls & Scriptures: A Students Guide to New Testament Textual Criticism._Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1985. Greenlee, J. Harold. _Introduction to New Testament Textual Criticism._ Rev. ed. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1993. Metzger, Bruce M. _The Text of the New Testametn: Its Transmission, Corruption, and Restoration._ 3rd, enlarged and rev. ed. New York: Oxford University Press, 1992. At 05:56 PM 9/24/96 -0400, you wrote: >tc'ers, > >I am planning on teaching a unit on textual criticism to my 2nd year Greek >students next semester. I am interested in hearing your comments on A) what >texts are best for a short unit, i.e. 6-9 hours of class time B) what >teaching methodology works at an undergrad level and C) which topics within >the whole arena of tc are best to cover. > >Suggestions? > > >Kevin Grenier >Colorado Christian University > > Kevin W. Woodruff Reference Librarian Cierpke Memorial Library Temple Baptist Seminary Tennessee Temple University 1815 Union Ave. Chattanooga, TN 37404 423/493-4252 (phone) 423/493-4497 (FAX) Cierpke@utc.campus.mci.net From owner-tc-list Wed Sep 25 01:31:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA03110; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 01:29:56 -0400 From: ptl@sprynet.com Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 22:26:51 -0700 Message-Id: <199609250526.WAA07907@m2.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Teaching Textual Criticism To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu In-Reply-To: <960924175613_316519913@emout09.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.10.06.22 Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 2672 On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, KHGrenier@aol.com wrote: >tc'ers, > >I am planning on teaching a unit on textual criticism to my 2nd year Greek >students next semester. I am interested in hearing your comments on A) what >texts are best for a short unit, i.e. 6-9 hours of class time B) what >teaching methodology works at an undergrad level and C) which topics within >the whole arena of tc are best to cover. > >Suggestions? > > >Kevin Grenier >Colorado Christian University > > I have taught a brief (1 session) seminar on textual criticism such as you are describing and found that a text book is not practical. I used a few classic examples of textual variants and demonstrated the procedure while I taught the principles. I began the seminar by taking a passage from Matt. ("he who has ears *to hear* let him hear . . .), made four typewritten copies of the verse with the different variant readings (one with all capital letters, one without spaces or punctuation, etc.) and had a manual copying process happen starting the four copies at four different points in the room. Each person copied from their neighbor's copy. When each student in class had his own hand written copy of the verse, we created our own "textual apparatus" on an overhead transparency. We actually obtains some additional "variants" that weren't in the Biblical text. We then utilized the principles of internal and external evidence to determine which was the most probable original reading using the concept of families of manuscripts, scribal hapits, etc. It was a VERY EFFECTIVE methodology to teach people who had never studied the topic. After the actual hands on experience with the exercise, I then explained the formal principles and used a couple of other classic examples (Rom 5:1, etc.) to apply the principles. THe class was very responsive to this approach and I got some excellent feedback. The only references to "textbooks" I used were to Metzger's standard text, reading excerpts from the book as we discussed the princples of internal and external evidence, type of writing materials, etc. For a short seminar setting, the practical hands on experience, I feel, goes much further than academic reading exercises. Paul Lorenzen Instructor of New Testament Greek Northern Sierra Bible Institute Carson City, Nevada *************************************************************************** Paul Lorenzen -- Sparks, Nevada -- Email - ptl@sprynet.com http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/ptl/lorenzen.htm Only one life, 'twill soon be past; only what's done for Christ will last! ***************************************************************************  From owner-tc-list Thu Sep 26 22:33:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA18714; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 22:30:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 21:26:58 -0500 X-Sender: ljgrn@bluejay.creighton.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu From: ljgrn@creighton.edu (Leonard Greenspoon) Subject: Re: Teaching Textual Criticism Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 1025 As TC book reviewer editor, I wanted to point that we will soon be publishing a review by Tim Finney of Keith Elliott and Ian Moir's "Manuscripts and the Text of the New Testament: An Introduction for English Readers." In this review Finney helpfully discusses and evaluates many of the books mentioned in Kevin Woodruff's recent listing. As a text critic (of sorts), I want to thank Paul Lorenzen for sharing his pedagogical method of introducing the "nitty gritty" of scribal activity to his students in such a creative and inventive way. I have tried such an approach myself, but (I fear) without Lorenzen's verve... all the best, leonard ********************************************** * Leonard Jay Greenspoon, Chairholder * * Klutznick Chair in Jewish Civilization * * Creighton University * * Admin Bldg #333, Omaha, Nebraska 68178 * * phone (402)-280-2304 fax (402)-280-4731 * * e-mail: LJGRN@creighton.edu * ********************************************** From owner-tc-list Fri Sep 27 11:19:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: by scholar.cc.emory.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA22032; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:15:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:15:00 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu From: winberyc@popalex1.linknet.net (Carlton L. Winbery) Subject: Re: Teaching Textual Criticism Sender: owner-tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tc-list@scholar.cc.emory.edu content-length: 1089 I think the original post on this subject asked about including a short section on NT TC in a Greek course. I think that this should come late in the course when students are getting to read NT texts more easily. I would then have them read pp. 15-84 of Jack Finegan, Encountering NT MSS (if out of print, get permission to make copies). And then I would have them make their own critical edition of John 1:1-14 from P66 (page 114), P75 (page 119), Vaticanus (page 129), Sinaiticus (page 135), Bezae (page 143), Washingtonensis (page 147), Alexandrinus (page 152), and 666 (pages 156-157). They can use as a base text whatever text you have them read from for the class. A better way may be to make them colate against hH KAINH DIAQHKA from the BIBLIKH hETAIREIA at hODOS FILELLHNWN 2A AQHNAI. This would give them hands on experience and a feel for the science of TC. They can form their own theories of transmission and history later when they can study related subjects. Carlton L. Winbery Prof. NT & Greek La College winberyc@popalex1.linknet.net winbery@andria.lacollege.edu